Obsidian Security · Data Scientist
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Obsidian Security Data Scientist
Interview Questions & Guide 2026

THE 60-SECOND BRIEF

As a Tech Lead – Data Scientist at Obsidian Security, you are at the forefront of the "agentic AI" era in SaaS security. Your work is not just about building models; it is about architecting the core ontology that allows the platform to interpret, secure, and monitor complex enterprise environments like Salesforce, Workday, and GitHub. You are effectively building the "brain" that detects threats across disparate, heterogeneous data sources, moving beyond simple rule-based detection into advanced, semantic-aware security analysis.

Seniority shifts the scope more than the words in the title do. Earlier-career loops mostly check that you execute a well-posed analysis correctly; senior loops check that you can decide which question is worth answering and defend what you chose not to do.

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Separate contracted seats from actively used seatsRead NRR on a fixed account cohortPower experiments for heavy-tailed account revenue

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As a Tech Lead – Data Scientist at Obsidian Security, you are at the forefront of the "agentic AI" era in SaaS security. Your work is not just about building models; it is about architecting the core ontology that allows the platform to interpret, secure, and monitor complex enterprise environments like Salesforce, Workday, and GitHub. You are effectively building the "brain" that detects threats across disparate, heterogeneous data sources, moving beyond simple rule-based detection into advanced, semantic-aware security analysis.

This role is inherently cross-functional and strategic. You will lead a team of 3-6 engineers and data scientists, transforming ambiguous security challenges into concrete, scalable ML systems. Because Obsidian Security protects global enterprises like Snowflake and T-Mobile, the stakes are high—your models and ontologies directly influence the risk posture of the world’s largest organizations. If you thrive on diving into "esoteric" technical rabbit holes and enjoy the challenge of mapping complex human-process workflows into machine-readable logic, this role offers a rare opportunity to define a new category in cybersecurity.

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Preparation focus

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What to demonstrate

  • Breadth across SQL, experimentation and product reasoning
  • Ability to state assumptions before choosing a method

How to prepare

  • Drill the practice exercises below and time yourself
  • Prepare three quantified stories about decisions you drove
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Computing monthly churn against the entire customer base when contracts are annual

An annual contract has no opportunity to churn except at its renewal date, so an account that is eleven months from renewal is in the denominator while being incapable of appearing in the numerator. The resulting rate is smaller than the real one by roughly the ratio of the base to the renewal-eligible base, and it oscillates with the seasonality of when deals were originally signed rather than with anything about the customers. The corresponding trap on the other side is counting a churn on the date the record was updated rather than on term_end_date, which shifts losses into whichever month the operations team did its paperwork.

02

Treating raw request or usage volume as engagement

Most traffic in this domain is emitted by machines. Continuous-integration pipelines, scheduled batch jobs, synthetic monitors, backfills and client retries can all grow by an order of magnitude from one configuration change made by one engineer, and none of it represents a new decision to use the product. The inversion is what makes it dangerous: when the platform degrades, clients retry, so error-driven retry volume rises at the exact moment the customer is most likely to leave, and an engagement dashboard built on raw counts shows growth immediately before a churn. Filter on traffic_class and on successful status before anything else, and keep failed-request volume as its own separate series.

03

Never asking what decision the analysis will inform

Open with who makes the decision, what the options are, and by when. The answer determines the precision you need, the segments worth cutting, and whether an observational read suffices or an experiment is required.

04

Reporting a p-value with no effect size or interval

Give the estimated difference with a confidence interval in the units the business cares about, then say whether that whole interval is worth acting on. A p-value only addresses whether you can rule out exactly zero; it says nothing about magnitude.

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Join daily usage to the contract version live that day

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as-of-joinpandasnumpycontracts

fct_usage_daily has account_id, usage_date and net_amount_cents. fct_subscription_period has account_id, subscription_period_id, plan_tier, term_start_date, term_end_date, arr_cents and is_current, with one row per contract term version and every amendment inserting a new row. Attach to each usage row the subscription_period_id whose term brackets usage_date (term_start_date <= usage_date <= term_end_date). pd.merge_asof and an interval-condition merge are unavailable; use sorting and numpy.searchsorted. Then report monthly net revenue by plan_tier. Terms for one account do not overlap, and usage may fall outside every term.

Approach
  1. Say out loud why the cheap version is wrong: joining on is_current stamps today's plan tier onto last year's usage, so every account that upgraded has its history reclassified and revenue-by-tier becomes a function of when the query ran.
  2. Sort each account's terms by term_start_date and use np.searchsorted(term_start, usage_date, side='right') - 1 to get the last term that started on or before the usage date. Do it per account group, or globally after encoding (account_id, date) into one monotone key.
  3. searchsorted only enforces the left edge. Validate the right edge afterwards — usage_date <= the candidate's term_end_date — and set the match to NA where it fails. That NA is usage in a gap between contracts and must stay visible instead of being folded into the expired term.
  4. Assert non-overlap before trusting the lookup, and write the assertion so it is capable of passing. prev_end = terms.groupby('account_id').term_end_date.shift() is NaT on each account's first row, and NaT < Timestamp evaluates to False rather than NA, so a comparison followed by .fillna(True) has nothing left to fill and the assertion fires on every account's first term whatever the data looks like. Guard the null yourself: assert (prev_end.isna() | (prev_end < terms.term_start_date)).all(). The failure mode of getting this wrong is not a false alarm you notice once — it is an assertion someone deletes because it never passes, after which overlapping terms make searchsorted return one of them with no trace in the output.
  5. Aggregate after the join, grouping by (usage_date month, plan_tier) with dropna=False so the unmatched bucket appears as its own row and the total still ties to the ungrouped sum of net_amount_cents.
Follow-up
  • An amendment takes effect on the 17th of a month. How do you report that month's revenue by tier?
  • What changes if terms can overlap because of a co-term amendment?
  • How would you verify this against a SQL implementation using a BETWEEN condition?

Bootstrap a confidence interval for net revenue retention

mediumWorked solution
bootstrapretentionresampling

You have one row per account with arr_start_cents (ARR twelve months ago) and arr_end_cents (ARR today, zero if churned), covering the fixed cohort of accounts that had ARR twelve months ago. Net revenue retention is sum(arr_end_cents) / sum(arr_start_cents). Write a nonparametric bootstrap from scratch, without scipy.stats.bootstrap: resample accounts with replacement, recompute the ratio of sums on each resample, and return the point estimate with a 95% percentile interval from 10,000 resamples. Also report the interval you would get from the mean of per-account ratios, and explain the difference.

Approach
  1. Resample the account, because the account is the unit the estimand is defined over. One bootstrap draw is a vector of account indices and both numerator and denominator are recomputed from that same draw; resampling the two sides independently destroys the within-account correlation that makes a ratio estimator stable.
  2. Vectorise the draws: idx = rng.integers(0, n, size=(B, n)), then end[idx].sum(axis=1) / start[idx].sum(axis=1). A 10,000 by n index matrix is usually far cheaper than a Python loop; if the matrix is too large for memory, chunk over B rather than reverting to a loop.
  3. Take the interval from np.quantile(ratios, [0.025, 0.975]). The percentile interval differs from estimate +/- 1.96 * bootstrap SE whenever the resample distribution is skewed, which it will be here, and the skew is the thing you want represented.
  4. Compute the mean-of-ratios version on the same resamples, and state the exact relationship rather than guessing which of the two is larger. With r_i = arr_end_i / arr_start_i, the ratio of sums is the arr_start-weighted mean of exactly those r_i, so sum(end)/sum(start) - mean(r) = Cov(arr_start, r) / mean(arr_start) using the population covariance. The gap is positive when larger accounts retain and expand better than smaller ones, and negative when they do not; a cohort whose small accounts churn at a higher rate has positive covariance, which puts the mean of per-account ratios BELOW the ratio of sums. Requires arr_start_i > 0 for every account, which the fixed-cohort definition guarantees; r_i is floored at 0 and unbounded above, so a handful of 4x expansions among small accounts can flip the sign. Compute the covariance and report it instead of asserting a direction.
  5. Report the interval width beside the concentration of the cohort. If the largest account is 12% of starting ARR, a narrow interval is evidence that the resampling unit is wrong rather than evidence that the estimate is precise.
Worked solution 30 min
  1. start = df.arr_start_cents.to_numpy(float); end = df.arr_end_cents.to_numpy(float); n = len(start); point = end.sum() / start.sum()
  2. rng = np.random.default_rng(7); idx = rng.integers(0, n, size=(10_000, n)); ratios = end[idx].sum(1) / start[idx].sum(1)
  3. lo, hi = np.quantile(ratios, [0.025, 0.975]); return point, lo, hi
  4. per_acct = end / start; mean_point = per_acct.mean(); mean_boot = per_acct[idx].mean(1); compare np.quantile(mean_boot, [0.025, 0.975]) against (lo, hi), and report np.cov(start, per_acct, ddof=0)[0,1] / start.mean() as the quantity that accounts for the gap between the two centres.
EXPECTED RESULTA point estimate equal to sum(end)/sum(start) on the unresampled data — the bootstrap mean is close but must not be substituted for it — and a percentile interval that is asymmetric around the point when expansion is skewed. The mean-of-ratios interval is centred on a different estimand, and which side it falls on is decided by Cov(arr_start, r): it sits below the ratio of sums in the common case where small accounts churn at a higher rate than large ones, and above it when the large accounts are the ones shrinking. Its width is governed by the spread of per-account growth, while the ratio-of-sums width is governed by how concentrated starting ARR is, so neither interval is reliably the wider one.
Follow-up
  • The cohort has 800 accounts and the largest is 12% of starting ARR. How much do you trust a percentile interval here?
  • How would you extend this to an interval on the year-over-year change in NRR?
  • Two accounts merged mid-window and one contract was co-termed into the other. How do you keep the cohort fixed?

Permutation-test a consumption experiment randomised at account level

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permutation-testheavy-tailscupedexperiment-readout

An experiment randomised 900 accounts into two arms. You have one row per account: account_id, arm, consumption_28d (billable units after launch) and consumption_pre (the 28 days before). Consumption is heavy-tailed and the largest account is several percent of the total. Write a permutation test from scratch: winsorise at the pooled 99th percentile as a pre-registered rule, use the difference in arm means of the winsorised outcome as the statistic, and obtain a two-sided p-value from 20,000 relabellings of the account-level arm vector. Report the observed effect, the p-value, and the same test on a CUPED-adjusted outcome.

Approach
  1. Be precise about what the permutation test needs. Under the sharp null of no effect for any account, the outcomes are exchangeable across arm labels, and the test is valid for ANY statistic T(outcomes, labels) provided the identical function is applied to the observed labels and to all 20,000 relabellings. The pooled 99th percentile is a function of the outcome vector alone, so recomputing it inside the loop returns the same number 20,000 times: that is wasted CPU, not a bias, and hoisting it out is an optimisation rather than a correctness fix. Say plainly that capping at all changes the estimand from mean consumption to mean capped consumption; it is not a neutral cleaning step.
  2. The mistake that does invalidate the test is an asymmetry between the observed statistic and the permuted ones, and the easiest way to create it is to derive the cleaning rule from the observed arm labels and then freeze it — winsorise each arm at its own observed 99th percentile, hold those two caps fixed, and permute. The observed value is then computed with caps matched to its own partition while every relabelling is scored with caps belonging to a different one, so the null distribution no longer answers the question the p-value claims to answer. A per-arm cap recomputed consistently inside every permutation is a valid test, but it estimates a contrast whose two sides are capped at different thresholds, so prefer the pooled cap on estimand grounds and pre-register it.
  3. Permute the account-level arm vector, because the account is the randomisation unit. Relabelling anything finer — users, workspaces, requests — generates a null distribution narrower than the design actually supports and returns p-values that are anti-conservative.
  4. Vectorise the null: tile the treatment indicator into a (B, n) matrix and permute along axis 1 with rng.permuted(..., out=...). The statistic is a difference of means, so the treated sum alone determines it and the whole null is one matrix-vector product. Use the two-sided p-value (1 + count(|stat_perm| >= |stat_obs|)) / (B + 1); the plus-one on each side is not cosmetic, it keeps the p-value away from exactly zero and keeps the test valid at finite B.
  5. For CUPED, fit theta = cov(y, x) / var(x) on the pooled data and use that same theta for the observed statistic and every relabelling. Pooled theta, like the pooled cap, carries no label information, so where in the loop you compute it is again only a performance question; fitting theta within arms is what goes wrong, because the adjusted outcome then depends on the labels and an observed-label fit frozen across all 20,000 relabellings breaks the match between observed and permuted statistics. x must be measured entirely before launch, which consumption_pre is. Expected variance reduction is about 1 - corr(y, x)^2; measure the achieved reduction from the two null distributions rather than asserting it.
Follow-up
  • The p-value is 0.04 with the cap and 0.31 without it. What do you report, and what did you pre-register?
  • Colleagues in a shared workspace can see the treated behaviour. How does that change the design and the estimate?
  • How many accounts would you need to detect a 5% lift given this outcome's distribution?

For someone who has spent the last year in notebooks, dashboards or modelling work and has not written raw SQL under time pressure. The first four days rebuild query fluency against a fixture you control and can verify by hand; the last three attach that fluency to the rest of the loop.

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ONE WEEK · YOUR PACE

Prepare, practise & reflect

One practical outcome each day. Spend longer where you need it.

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01Build a fixture you can check answers against
  • Create a local Postgres or SQLite database with four tables (users, sessions, events, orders) holding roughly 200 rows you generated yourself, so you know the contents well enough to predict every result.
  • Deliberately seed the cases that break queries: a user with no sessions, a session with no events, two orders sharing a timestamp, a NULL in one join key, and one duplicated user row.
  • Before writing any SQL, hand-compute five answers on paper (how many users placed at least one order, median orders per ordering user, and three others) and save them as the ground truth for the week.

Deliverable: A one-command seed script plus a text file of five hand-computed answers to grade every later query against.

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02Joins, filters and NULL semantics
  • Answer "which users have no orders" three ways (LEFT JOIN with IS NULL, NOT EXISTS, NOT IN) and confirm that the NOT IN version returns zero rows once the subquery contains a NULL, because the comparison is never TRUE.
  • Reproduce the LEFT JOIN that silently collapses to an inner join by putting a right-table predicate in WHERE, then fix it by moving the predicate into the ON clause, and record both row counts.
  • Create a fan-out bug on purpose by joining orders to order_items and summing the order total, then correct it with a pre-aggregated subquery and explain in one line which table changed the grain.

Deliverable: One annotated .sql file holding the three join traps, each with the wrong result and the corrected result side by side.

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03Window functions and frames
  • Write three window queries against the fixture: a running order total per user, the rank of each order within its user by value, and the day gap to that user's previous order, then check each against the day-one ground truth.
  • Run ROW_NUMBER, RANK and DENSE_RANK over a column containing ties, print all three side by side, and write one sentence on when each is the correct choice.
  • Switch one query from the default frame (RANGE BETWEEN UNBOUNDED PRECEDING AND CURRENT ROW, which is what you get when ORDER BY is present and no frame is written) to ROWS BETWEEN UNBOUNDED PRECEDING AND CURRENT ROW, and explain why the output differs only when the ORDER BY column has duplicates.

Deliverable: Three verified window queries plus a short note explaining the RANGE versus ROWS difference in your own words.

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04The four analytical query patterns
  • Write a monthly retention grid: first order month per user, then months-since-first as the column, and verify that month zero equals the cohort size exactly.
  • Sessionize the events table under a 30-minute inactivity rule using LAG plus a cumulative sum over a new-session flag.
  • Build a four-step funnel that counts distinct users rather than events at each step, and state the rule you applied to a user who reaches step three without ever logging step two.

Deliverable: One file with the retention, sessionization and funnel patterns, each carrying a one-line note on the assumption it bakes in.

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05Write SQL the way you will have to write it live
  • Set a 12-minute timer and solve three medium prompts in a plain editor with no execution and no autocomplete, then run them and tally syntax errors separately from logic errors.
  • Narrate one solution aloud while writing it, stating the grain of each intermediate result (one row per user, one row per user-day) before you type its body.
  • Rewrite your slowest solution as a CTE chain where every CTE name states its grain, and time yourself re-solving it from blank.

Deliverable: A recording of one narrated solution plus an error tally that separates syntax from logic.

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06One day for everything that is not SQL
  • Write the preconditions of the two-sample t-test from memory, then check them: independent observations, and a difference in means whose sampling distribution is approximately normal, which at large sample sizes follows from the central limit theorem rather than from normality of the raw values.
  • Write the difference between an odds ratio from logistic regression and a relative risk, and state the condition under which the two are close (low outcome prevalence).
  • Prepare a 90-second answer to "how would you know this model is any good" that names the metric, the baseline you would beat, and the cost of the errors you care about.

Deliverable: One page of notes covering test preconditions, the odds-ratio caveat and the model-quality answer.

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07Full loop rehearsal
  • Run a 45-minute mock with someone willing to interrupt: 20 minutes of SQL, 15 minutes defining a metric, 10 minutes on a past project.
  • Re-solve from blank the two queries you were slowest on this week and compare the times against day five.
  • Write a five-line answer to "walk me through a project" that puts a number in the first sentence and names the decision the work changed.

Deliverable: Mock feedback notes plus a timed project narrative you can deliver without reading it.

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Most data work is done by groups, so an interviewer has to work out which piece was yours. An answer that runs on 'we' for several minutes gets interrupted with a question about what you personally did, and by then the answer sounds defensive even when it is true. Mark your own contribution as you go, and name the parts that belonged to someone else instead of leaving them ambiguous. Keep a few specifics back as well, like the name of the metric or who actually objected, so a probe can be answered with something you had not already said.

How do you handle "fuzzy" or incomplete data when building a threat de…

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behavioural and stakeholder questions

How do you handle "fuzzy" or incomplete data when building a threat detection system?

Approach
  1. Name the disagreement or constraint, and how you resolved it with evidence.
  2. Pick a story where you drove the decision, not one where you observed it.
  3. Quantify the outcome, including what you would not claim credit for.
Follow-up
  • How did you know the outcome was caused by your change?
  • What would you do differently if you ran that project again?

Allocate one analyst week across three competing requests

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prioritisationstakeholdersscoping

Three requests arrive the same morning and you have one week. Finance wants per-account gross margin from fct_usage_daily for a pricing review in three weeks. Sales wants a renewal-risk list for accounts with term_end_date inside 60 days. A product manager wants an experiment readout for a decision being taken on Thursday. Produce your allocation with hours attached, what you say to whoever receives less, and one thing you refuse to do this week, with the reason each decision is defensible to the person it costs.

Approach
  1. The interviewer is probing whether you prioritise on decision timing and reversibility or on who asked most forcefully. Sort by the date each decision is actually taken and by what the default outcome is if nothing arrives.
  2. Apply that sort concretely. The Thursday readout has a hard irreversible deadline and no value afterwards. The pricing review has three weeks of slack. The renewal list has a rolling deadline set by term_end_date, so part of it is urgent this week and the rest is not, which means it can be split rather than deferred whole.
  3. Find the cheapest sufficient version of each request rather than the full version. The readout goes in full. The renewal list ships as a filtered query over renewal-eligible accounts ranked by two inspectable signals rather than as a model. The margin work is scoped to the accounts that dominate the pricing decision, since revenue is heavily skewed and the tail will not change the conclusion.
  4. Make the trade visible in one written note to all three at once, with dates. Telling each person separately that they are the priority is how an allocation becomes a credibility problem.
  5. Refuse something explicitly and say why. The model version of the renewal list is the usual candidate, because it cannot be evaluated without a holdout nobody has agreed to yet, and building it this week forecloses that.
  6. Leave slack. A plan with none is a plan to miss the one deadline that cannot move.
Follow-up
  • The sales leader escalates to your manager. What did you already do that makes that a short conversation?
  • Which of the three deadlines would you push back on, and what exactly would you ask for?
  • What would you change about how these requests reach you so next week is not the same?

State the measured impact of your own work honestly

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impactcausal inferenceself-assessment

You are asked for the business impact of a renewal-risk worklist you shipped nine months ago. Customer success used it, and renewals in the covered segment came in 6 points above the prior year. Coverage was assigned by the team itself: they worked the top of your list and also the accounts they were already worried about. Produce the impact claim you are willing to defend, the number you refuse to claim, and the design you would have asked for at the start.

Approach
  1. The interviewer is probing whether you can separate what you shipped from what you caused, and whether you would have built the measurement in rather than reconstructing it afterwards. Both halves are being scored.
  2. Name the confound precisely. Coverage assignment is doubly selected: the largest accounts get an owner because they are valuable, and distressed accounts get one because they are at risk. The naive covered versus uncovered comparison mixes a strong positive selection with a strong negative one and can come out with either sign depending on which rule dominated. Matching on account size does not fix it, because the risk signal that triggered coverage is the same signal that predicts the outcome.
  3. Split the claims by what each needs to be true. Ranking quality is defensible from precision at k on out-of-time renewals. Adoption is defensible from timestamps showing what share of listed accounts were contacted. The outcome claim is not defensible without a design, and saying so is the point of the exercise.
  4. Look for identification before giving up on it. A capacity cut-off, a territory boundary, or a period in which the list existed but was unstaffed can assign coverage for reasons unrelated to account health, and any of those supports a bounded estimate.
  5. State the design you would ask for now and its price: a randomly withheld slice of the list, held for two renewal quarters, with the expected cost in renewals stated openly. That cost is what it takes to be able to answer this question at all.
  6. Give a bounded number rather than none. Six points with an explicit statement of how much of it you can attribute is more useful than either claiming the whole figure or declining to quantify anything.
Follow-up
  • Your manager wants the 6 points in a promotion packet. What wording do you accept, and what do you strike?
  • What would have had to be true for the naive covered versus uncovered comparison to be valid?
  • If the holdout costs the team real renewals, how do you justify asking for it, and to whom?
  • 01

    How do you handle "fuzzy" or incomplete data when building a threat detection system?

  • 02

    Three requests arrive the same morning and you have one week. Finance wants per-account gross margin from fct_usage_daily for a pricing review in three weeks. Sales wants a renewal-risk list for accounts with term_end_date inside 60 days. A product manager wants an experiment readout for a decision being taken on Thursday. Produce your allocation with hours attached, what you say to whoever receives less, and one thing you refuse to do this week, with the reason each decision is defensible to the person it costs.

  • 03

    You are asked for the business impact of a renewal-risk worklist you shipped nine months ago. Customer success used it, and renewals in the covered segment came in 6 points above the prior year. Coverage was assigned by the team itself: they worked the top of your list and also the accounts they were already worried about. Produce the impact claim you are willing to defend, the number you refuse to claim, and the design you would have asked for at the start.

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Is this an official Obsidian Security interview guide?

No. It is PracHub's own research and practice material for the Data Scientist role at Obsidian Security. Rounds and questions reflect what candidates have reported, not a process Obsidian Security has published, and they change over time. Confirm the current format and scope with your recruiter.

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How much time should I dedicate to preparing for the "security" aspect of the role?

You don't need a background in cybersecurity, but you must be able to demonstrate a rapid learning curve. Spend time researching how modern SaaS platforms handle authentication and logging; being able to speak the language of a security engineer will set you apart.

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Is the technical interview focused on LeetCode-style problems?

No. The technical assessments at Obsidian Security are heavily focused on real-world system design and your approach to data problems. Expect to discuss trade-offs in architecture and how you would handle messy, real-world data.

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What is the culture like for a Data Scientist at Obsidian?

It is a high-ownership environment. You will be expected to be "scrappy," diving into documentation and finding solutions when clear answers aren't available. It is a collaborative but fast-paced team where individual initiative is highly valued.

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